From: editor@prophetsforpeace.com
To: WB
Subject: Free Will vs Predestination
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:14:09 -0500

Yes much, where would I even begin :) As soon as I say that, this comes to mind... OK, I may totally lose you here - as in you thinking I'm whacked... And this is not easy to try and express, but here it is:

I have come to understand that predestination and free will are not a paradox, but are compliments, just as all seeming opposites, for example: male and female, light and dark, good and evil, creation and evolution, all different sides of the same coin working in unison... both are true at the same time. Much became clear to me when I saw past the illusion of paradoxes, and grasped that though this illusion is necessary for the evolution of consciousness, it is something we eventually see beyond and discard.

I believe God, the Source, is the Totality, and that nothing exists that is not part of God. I also believe that it is when God first became self aware, that the BIG BANG happened... [Explode - To cause to release energy (a synonym for spirit) or burst violently]... that it is when we were created in His image if you will - countless smaller versions of His (energy) spirit - and that we are trying to return to Him (home)... become whole again, one with Him... Yet we are Him (just not in whole of course, or fully aware). I believe we are God expanding Himself through His own creations... evolving through the experience of the manifest [to be realized - incarnate]).  I believe God's creation [expression] is constantly evolving. There is of course much more to say about this... but that's another subject.

I believe in reincarnation, and I also believe there is evidence of reincarnation in the Bible. Life makes no sense to me without it. I believe the spirit that animates us, before it enters the body, chooses a path (predestination) which holds the best possible experience for the advancement towards reconciliation with God (the Source). Once the spirit enters the body (incarnates), a living soul is created... Genesis 2:7 tells us "And Jehovah God formed the man out of dust from the ground, and blew into his nostrils the breath of life (spirit), and man BECAME a LIVING soul"..."When thou sendeth forth thy spirit, they are created." -Psalm 104:30... and when the spirit leaves the body, it separates from the soul, "The spirit returns to God who gave it." -Ecclesiastes 12:7..."The word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and cuts so deeply it divides the soul from the spirit." -Hebrews 4:12 Also known as being torn to pieces... Hosea 6:5, Psalm 50:22, Jeremiah 5:5-6, Isaiah 8:9.

It is possible though, to keep the two (three including the body) in tact, transcending this separation... "May the God of peace himself sanctify you absolutely whole, and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound..." -I Thessalonians 5:23... which ends the cycle of reincarnation, and takes us fully back to God consciousness, or re-unites us with Him. I think this is the ultimate goal, and what Jesus was the first one to accomplish, therefore making the way possible through His example... "the Way, the Truth, and the Life.." (John 14:6).

I think Jesus was Adam, the original son of God, not born of woman, and therefore Creator and Father of all humanity - the son's of men - those born of woman, starting with Eve... and that when Christ's spirit eventually reincarnated as Jesus, instead of veering off the path, He stayed true to course that time, to His original purpose. He had the free will to choose not to live out His predestination (destiny), but chose to see it through, and was finally fully aware of what it was. I think His complete awareness of who he was - the I AM - came from a collection of lifetimes, until His spirit became aware enough to withstand the gravitational pull from the decent into the body, which alters the  frequency of the spirit, causing it to forget why it incarnated.

I believe we are always walking towards the goal of re-union with God... But that we have the free will not to follow the path of original intent (predestination). I believe we are happiest though, when following our predestined path, as the spirit dwelling within us would naturally have chosen the very best course for it's evolution (growth, unfolding, or metamorphosis). It is when we (as living souls) argue with the direction of spirit, and veer from our predestined path (by not following our hearts) that we (as living souls) struggle and endure pain, which eventually puts us back on the path of spirit. It is this struggle and pain that forces us to ask the question WHY, to seek the answers from God, which is only when the answers come (are heard from within, with the heart - notice 'heart' contains the words 'ear' and 'hear'). "Let whoever seeks not cease from his seeking until he finds. When he finds he will be troubled (we usually only earnestly seek when we are troubled). When he is troubled, he will marvel (at what the spirit gives for an answer) and will reign over all ( by realizing that we are indeed a piece of God and not separate from Him)." -Jesus, The Gospel of Thomas. Becoming troubled sets us back on the path and leads to the final realization. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God". -Romans 8:14

So predestination and free will work hand in hand; both are happening at the same time... In my humble opinion.

One of my top 10 awareness altering books is The Division of Consciousness by Peter Novak. It is all about separation of the spirit and soul at death, reincarnation, etc... Showing it all very clearly in the Bible... And the role Jesus played... I read it in two days, couldn't put it down.

Peace,
Shelley

From: WB
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:41 AM
Subject: RE: Free Will vs Predestination

How do you reconcile reincarnation with the following:

Heb 9:27

"And inasmuch as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this cometh judgment..."

WB

From: editor@prophetsforpeace.com
To: WB
Subject: RE: Free Will vs Predestination
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:44 AM

This begs the question what is man?

Genesis 2:7 tells us "And Jehovah God formed the man out of dust from the ground, and blew into his nostrils the breath of life (spirit), and man BECAME a LIVING soul." What does living mean? It means breathing. When man dies, it is because he stops breathing. The body no longer contains the spirit... But the spirit that animates the man goes back to God (I believe to go forth again - reincarnate - reanimate another body and create another living soul). Man dies (stops breathing)... But spirit never dies (it is the life force).

The following are just a handful of the many scriptures about this...

"When thou sendeth forth thy spirit, they are created." -Psalm 104:30

"Don't you know that you are the temple of God, and the spirit of God dwells within you?" -I Corinthians 3:16

"If He gathered onto Himself his spirit... All flesh would perish.: -Job 34:14-15

"The spirit returns to God who gave it." -Ecclesiastes 12:7

Spirit is responsible for consciousness (thought), not the soul, as stated here: "The spirit searches everything... Who knows a man's thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him?" -I Corinthians 2:10-11

"The word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and cuts so deeply it divides the soul from the spirit." -Hebrews 4:12 Also known as being torn to pieces... Hosea 6:5 Psalm 50:22 Jeremiah 5:5-6 Isaiah 8:9

"May the God of peace himself sanctify you absolutely whole, and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound..." - I Thessalonians 5:23

And here is some reincarnation evidence in the Bible:

It was thought that Elijah would return to life on earth... "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes." - Malachi 4:5

And in Matthew, Jesus maintains that the one known then as John the Baptist was in fact the same man who had lived centuries earlier as Elijah... "This is the one... There has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist... And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. He who has EARS, let him HEAR." - Matthew 11:11-15

"To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things, But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not RECOGNIZE him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist." - Matthew 17:11

"The angel said to [John the Baptist's father] "... He [John} will go...in the SPIRIT and power of Elijah...to make ready a people prepared for the Lord." -Luke 1:17

[John] confessed freely...They asked him, "Who are you? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." "Are you the prophet?" He answered "No." -John 1:21 He didn't know who he was... He didn't remember being Elijah... But the scripture clearly states he was...

When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah, and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets." -Matthew 16:14

One other indirect reference:

Jesus [said] "No one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or land for me and the Gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age-homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields...and in the age to come, eternal life." -Mark 10:29-30 (Side note: what is ETERNAL LIFE? Living means Breathing, life is breath, so eternal life must mean that the body and soul will one day retain the spirit forever... Never again to be divided.)

"Outside of the doctrine of reincarnation it's difficult to imagine how such a promise could be fulfilled. In one lifetime, one can have only a single set of parents, and no one seriously proposes that each of the seventy original disciples, who actually left their homes and families, ever received as compensation a hundred wives, a hundred fields, and so on. Either this statement of Jesus' occurred when he was waxing so poetic as to allow a falsehood to pass his lips, or he was making a promise that only many reincarnations could fulfill." -Peter Novak

There is much more... This is why I highly recommend the book, The Division of Consciousness by Peter Novak.

Peace,

Shelley

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